美国好?台湾好?难!

那你就去找要驻外的啊　很多公司不都有 ?

若把小孩和老婆留在美国，你一个人回台湾工作如何？

或是短期先让妻小留在美国，让小孩学好英文再回来也行。

华人在美国找工作真的不易，若是我的话，我会考虑先回台湾，

因为中年了要在美国找工作更难了，在拖下去也不是办法。

不为自己也要为小孩着想吧，美国不是全部都好。

在台湾若是能赚多点钱，生活品质不会差太多的。

可以找在台湾的美商公司,

还要固定去美国开会报到

这样你认为如何ㄚ

工作比较重要吧赚了钱才能去追求好的生活环境和品质 你可以先自己回来工作,小孩太太留在美国,等你工作稳定了再和你太太商量是要接小孩回来还是你两头跑? 台湾也有'美国学校'以及很好的教育环境, 要是我的话,把握机会比较重要! '美国'两三百年后还是在那儿,要去随时都可以去,但是好的工作机会失去了不见得会有下一个勒

　因为老公工作的关係，我也一直往返于美国-台湾两地，我了解要作决定真的很难，尤其你的小朋友又还那么小～

　看你目前的身份吧，九年应该有公民了，可以跟老婆商量，考虑你自己先回来几个月看看这边环境喜不喜欢、适不适应，习惯的话老婆小孩再搬回来，反正随时也都还可以回去美国，小孩还小也还没有教育的问题，可以过个几年再担心，这几年你们就好好适应一下两边环境的差异，要是真想回去美国的话，或许几年后美国的情况较好再考虑搬回去．

　我们认识的不少朋友都是这样在两边的矛盾中辛苦的当空中飞人，尤其孩子若已经就学，想回来就更难了，可是这几年电子相关行业的情况，确实台湾的发展机会要比美国好太多太多（在美国失业潮涌现的时候，在台湾徵才却仍然很难找到适合的人才，台湾到目前都还是"人在挑公司"，而美国早就是"公司在挑人"了！）

如果你们在美国已经拿到身份, 可以随时回去的话, 不如考虑回台湾工作几年, 等宝宝要上小学的时候,再回去我个人不太赞成一家子分居两地, 而且又是很远的距离, 有时候再多的钱, 也买不到一家子生活在一起所培养出的感情

但如果还没拿到身份, 就真的比较难决定 在美国住久了,真的会不习惯台湾的生活, 尤其在台北, 什么都小 住的地方小, 停车位小, 路小><" 不过, 台南的生活环境,应该不错

请问 Eric's father 在哪一州呢? 是做哪一行的? 其实,我们公司(美国上市大公司)就有在招人耶 By the way,我在加州硅谷

(原作者于 2005-02-26 00:30:54 重新编辑过)

我会建议你把你要的东西

依优先权列表一下

不是把美国和台湾的好坏处并列

因为这样比永远得不出什么结果

所谓优先权如：

经济的稳定度

物质生活的喜好，如喜欢安静的生活，或是喜欢热闹的日子

刚好就可以了，还是要过的很优渥

家庭是否要在一起

个人的成就的实现

小孩未来的教育

这个世界上不可能有处处完美的日子

但是你可以选择你觉得重要的

这样也许能找到一条较可行的路

祝福你！

我是觉得不管做什么决定

都不要和老婆孩子分开两地哦!

我们这里也有很多老公回台湾工作

放老婆孩子在这

结果都发生一些问题

所以爸爸要考虑清楚!

感谢各位的赐教,在下目前人是在寸土寸金的洛杉矶,本身有双重国籍老婆只是绿卡儿子也是双重国籍本身是学 EE目前美国EE的工作正大量外移中我并非技不如人,实在是英文不如人而且不会用英文拍上司的马屁我本人倾向回台工作,但我觉察到老婆大人是想留在美国这就是我为难的地方如果我不管老婆的感觉回台的话,我的日子可能就不好过了老婆嘴上不说一句话,可是却会跟你番不完当初孩子是她坚持要的,可是以后的责任却是我要担的我们家境并不富有,不可能同时在美在台都有住所鱼与熊掌是不可兼得的但是老婆的孩子气有点真让人受不了家中长辈也拿不出主意只好诉诸网路

其实我要求的也不多,只要住有其屋,幼有所长,壮有所用,老有所终就好了至于富贵荣华,叱咤风云是与我绝缘了唉!继续混乱中!

忘了一件事,其实我是想到台南工作的一方面台南房价比较便宜,另一方面是我是台南出生长大的13时才移到台北的今天我还有一大堆亲朋好友在台南

我觉得你心中已经决定好了,只是还无法说服老婆 好好地和她沟通吧 其实宝宝才刚出生,还没有面临教育的问题,你可以告诉老婆先回台湾试试看,宝宝也能趁次此机会学好中文

---其实我要求的也不多,只要住有其屋,幼有所长,壮有所用,老有所终就好了至于富贵荣华,叱咤风云是与我绝缘了唉!---

版主说得对极了，其实我们年轻时想要追求的东西很多，更希望努力过后的人生是多辉煌，但年长后发现，我们要的就是这样简单，平安健康能与家人在一起到终老，台湾，毕竟还是属于自己的地方吧。在台湾多存些钱，等孩子大了送出国唸书，让他知道人生可以有不同的阅历，是否留在美国或台湾，等孩子大了再决定也不迟

Erica's Father

你应该要和老婆沟通，请他了解你的庄力。不要一个人吃下全部的重担。

既是一家人应该可以解决的。

我和我老公结婚前也在国外生活2年多，现在问起想不想、怀不怀念当时的生活。我们2人的答案是肯定的，但是台湾毕竟是我们的家，在台湾我们可以找到工作上的成就感，经济生活也可稳定，物价是我们可以接受的，日子过起来相当的舒服，只要经济方面许可小孩在台湾仍可接受很不错的教育。

你们现在的问题并不是小孩(因为小孩还小，根本没差)，这就不是什么大问题，只要是你和你老婆自已都能退一步解决的，就要努力去做到。

试着说服你老婆跟你一起回台湾吧

经济成问题,饭都吃不饱了,还留在那做美国梦,真的是很傻

何况你们有双重国籍,随时有机会可以再回去ㄚ

我也觉得你该和老婆好好沟通，

我也认识好几位因老公工作关係先回台湾，

老婆留下来处理房子和等小孩上学告一段落，

就短短的半年喔，

就出问题了，

所以千万要三思，

我是绝对反对一个家庭分隔两地的。

***********其实我要求的也不多,只要住有其屋,幼有所长,壮有所用,老有所终就好了至于富贵荣华,叱咤风云是与我绝缘了唉!继续混乱中!

*****************

你的这个想法, 跟我老公好像 妳老婆捨不得美国的生活环境吧 也许她讨厌台湾的居住品质, 或觉得在美国生活高人一等? 但有没有收入维持一个家, 真的是很现实的问题 回台湾有份工作,一样可以生活的很好, 好过在异地每个月帐单来的时候, 不知道下一步要怎么走

我也觉得台南是个不错的选择

其实这几年来美国景气并不好, 第一代移民的生活真的是很苦的 (我们也还在熬, 我老公也是 EE 出身, 但是现在也被迫转业呀! ><)

你老婆现在压力一定很大, 孩子又小, 照顾不易 孩子是两个人的,

她要负担的压力不会比你少喔

看来你心中是很想回台湾的, 建议你直接和老婆谈你的看法, 美式教育也不见得就比较好, 除非你们住在好的学区, 不然读私立是超级贵!! O_O 台湾的公立学校素质较齐, 我个人认为是很能与美国的公立学校相比的喔! 至于宝宝长大后可回美就读大学, 因为美国的高等教育的确是比较好 ^____^

你已有公民, 不必担心身份问题, 放心回台湾再拼出你事业上的另一高峰吧! 加油!!!

Since your wife does not have the US citizenship yet, her PR might be taken away if she leaves the US (183 days/year)

Taiwan is not a kid-friendly country

Please don't say that your wife is childish As I talked to my girl friends in the silicon valley, few of them are willing to move back to Taiwan

Why ?

Life in the US is more simple and easy You don't need to deal with the in-laws You don't need to worry so much that the husband will have a girlfriend You don't need to worry about the education system Also, like you said, the US is 政治安定, people are better educated The value system in Taiwan is so confused The housing in Taiwan is more expensive than the US

我想你可以试着说服你老婆

因为我娘家妈妈有个朋友的儿子就在美国工作

是真的很不好找

我有个表姐他在外交部工作他的的小孩就在纽西兰跟澳洲那边唸书

毕业后他要在澳洲工作

1健中和北一女当最后一名(被耻笑兼被退学的压力)

2普通高中得第一名(有奖学金可拿还受到各界的褒扬无退学压力)

请问你选哪一个?

小问题看大世界希望中年的您能懂!

To Michelle's Mom:

Yes, you are right that is I am worrying about now By the way,in US, they have a very nice system for retired people People who have worked for more than 10 years can retire from work and get money from social security per month I think that is a major reason for people want to work here

In my original plan, after retiring from US, I will move back to Taiwan and live only on this benefit without highly pricy health insurance But, right now, I have to take care of my child until he finishes college or turns to 20 year-old I have to change my plan Only God knows what will happen in the future

To Eric's Father,

不知你太太还有几年才能申请公民? 申请约得再花个一年至一年半

算算你的年纪应该也接近四十上下, 在美国现阶段科技工作外移的风潮下, 要想再找到本行的好工作, 很困难 而现在不回台湾, 再过几年, 你也很难在台湾找到本行的好工作

现在选择留下来, 那是不是太太愿意以后跟你一起找些低时薪的工作, 靠积蓄及政府的福利补助养小孩 小孩当然可以依公立学校系统而上, 但大学可能就得贷款或申请州立大学, 问问那是不是她想要或可以接受的

现在选择回台湾, 她可能会丧失她的绿卡, 以后要进美国申请观光签証也会被刁难(My friend's experience), 可能要等以后儿子满二十几岁或先生回美国帮她申请, 她才能再得到绿卡, 她的可能损失大得多, 而且在台湾可能适应上会很辛苦, 但至少全家在一起, 先生有事业发展空间, 家里有收入

我毕竟是外人, 说说容易

但我也是跟我先生在这要不要回台湾话题上争论了超过一年

最后, 我让步, 接受他辞去他的高薪工作, 我也辞去我的安定工作, 接受家庭年薪打了个三折, 以及诸多的烦琐事情与人际关係上的压力

我先生也还算是有点良心, 近来好像是比较懂得我对这个家的付出以及对他的包容, 夫妻间相处有比较和谐, 所以有时得与失之间是难衡量的

给个提议, 要不要问问太太若是要回台湾, 除了环境因素之外啥事最教她担心, 有没有什么方法可以让她感受好一些

Like me

I worry that

in-laws problems --> divorce --> In Taiwan, kid wll be assigned to the father and money goes to the husband too

===> Now our assets are under my name and i try hard to keep them in the US

每个人的故事都不同

其实有PR的,只要申请白皮书,PR还不至于在短期间内被取消,究竟哪里好?见仁见智,不过,工作在哪里,就到哪儿去住吧

我有个朋友移民美国14年,三年前失业,现在靠着打零工养家活口,一家四口

靠着爸爸替人油漆赚钱生活,我相信依朋友先生的能力,学历(40多岁,国立大学毕)在台湾应该可以过着比较富裕的物质生活

现在他们夫妻非常担心已经六年级的女儿将来没钱上大学,美国有很好的医疗设施,世界一流的大学,不过没钱?对不起一切都是空谈

生活很现实,老婆的PR即便被取消,将来要申请回来是很快的(老公,孩子都是公民了,不是吗?

PS 按时报税,依然在美拥有房地产,拥有银行account,有效的信用卡

PR不会随便就被取消啦

(原作者于 2005-03-01 11:26:36 重新编辑过)

是啊,我也尝试着做一些基本薪资的工作,一个月一千多美金还好目前我父亲在帮着我,住是免费的我父亲也给我一些零用钱凑凑也够用但心情实在是物竹如果当初我选择留在台湾发展,不做乱七八糟的美国梦现在的我还会活着当美国二等公民吗?

目前我之所以不立刻回台的原因就是年龄问题,我是怕若数年后再次失业,那时的情景恐怕只会更糟年纪也更老,小孩也大了

如果现在我能克服自己心理上的阴影,放下自己的身段,再培养出第二专长来或许还可在美生存不过若是如此,我会移到美国中西部去因为在加州生活费和房价实在是太贵了

美国的好处就是不会有年龄的限制,不像台湾,政府机关还带头排斥中高龄再就业

唉!又要继续混乱了!各位有什么高见请多多指教!谢谢!

第二专长很重要喔 你其实还年轻, 如果能找中西部的本行工作就更好了!!!

近年来唸 EE 的转业比比皆是, 我们亲戚朋友(白种美国人)中也有好几个例子喔 这是就业市场的趋势, 不完全是种族上的劣势打工的日子不宜长, 只会浪费时间, 徒然让自己心情更不好罢了

爸爸加油 要多安慰老婆, 甜言蜜语一点, 我想女人都一样, 我当时带才满二个月的宝宝也是情绪起伏很大喔 夫妻两人一起互相鼓励渡过这段苦日子, 好日子就快来了!!! ^____^

唉这种事真的很难做决定

美中的房价的确比加州便宜,不过这两年也攀高了糟的是,工作也不好找失业的朋友一堆,有的失业了不敢告诉家人,只好每天拎着个包包,照样出门真的很心酸

版主说的真的一点也没错,现在不回来,再过几年,回来也不好找工作了,到那时,孩子大了(要适应台湾的教育更辛苦了),担子更重了工作更难找了Oh My God很苦啦!!

对孩子来说,小一回来比小三回来好,小三回来比小五回来好,如果是上了七年级真的是,无论如何能不回来最好

多想想吧,"第一代移民的海外华人血泪史"大家都听很多了,每个人都有自己的故事和考虑,不过我还是觉得,有口饭吃最重要

(原作者于 2005-03-01 14:24:34 重新编辑过)

我觉得上面的"过来人"说的没错"没钱一切好生活都是免谈", 您夫人怕回台湾只是因为PR吗? 是否为了面子? 亦或者不想与夫家亲人同住? 因为我与先生也再美国读书结识, 但没完成学业便回台结婚, 每每别人问起时都有点不好意思, 至于小孩的教育, 台湾的幼儿教育内容优于美国太多, 也许环境不理想, 但若能在台湾适应, 还怕回美国不适应吗? 不管回台住内湖也好, 台南也好(我在台南永康唸过书), 居住空间都算舒适, 不输美国, 所以好好和夫人谈谈, 因为一个美满的家, 需要女主人无怨无悔的付出, 不管留在美国或回台湾, "无怨无悔"是最重要

Hi Eric,

I can't advise you to either stay here or go back to Taiwan but I just want to shed some light on a child's point of view

My parents moved over here when I was 12 Back in Taiwan, my dad had a good job and my mom was a housewife Because of his fears of possible instability of Taiwan, my dad decided to move the whole family here It was extremely difficult when we first came over, My dad gave up everything he had in Taiwan,( a high paying and stable job, nice house, family and friends) just so we the kids can have better opportunity Unfortunately, my dad never found a job that utilized his engineering skills Just imagine, he had everything going for him in Taiwan yet he gave them up for us, the kids He's now over 60 In his time, it was very difficult to go to a public college and let alone graduating with an engineering degree The truth to the matter is, I truly thank him for bringing us over

Even though we didn't have much money growing up, all the kids manage to go to public colleges (I went to a UC school without the financial support from my family) In the US, you don't have to worry about not having the means to pay for a college education There's always financial aid available (loans, scholarship, etc) In reality, more students take out loans than asking money from their families

The bottome line is that I am gratful for my parents' decision to come here The kids were presented with greater opportunities

Hope you find this helpful in your decision making

(原作者于 2005-03-01 16:26:44 重新编辑过)

"过来人"说的真是不错!

1 既然老公、小孩都是公民，真是不用担心PR的问题，即使回台后，每半年回美国玩玩，都可以继续维持PR，或是乾脆申请"回美证"，这都不是问题．

2 经济的因素，真的是最现实的因素，在美国享受所谓的好环境，却天天得担心钱的压力，似乎也没有生活的好品质；而在台湾，EE找工作相当容易，不管选择住哪裏，消费指数都比加州低太多，在台湾可以享受中上以上的生活水準．我们住加州时，90K的薪水每个月都是左手进右手出，回台湾后，薪水虽然比在美国少了点，但存钱却比在美国容易得多．

　当初因为先生觉得台湾创业的机会比较好，所以放弃稳定的工作回台，既然他还有梦，我选择无怨无悔地支持他！　亲戚的问题当然也会令我困扰，但只要不住在一起应该都还好．

　还是与您夫人好好沟通最重要，在美国当贫民，在台湾可是当贵族哟！有多一个机会可以试，为什么不要？回台湾后即使再不好，都还可以回去美国，再怎么样都不会比现在差吧？存够了钱，要住哪都不是问题！

宋七粒!你在那?我需要你传受我分身大法!

To Lazy Bear:

Thanks your advice, you have a wonderful father Of course, I will offer my best for my son too But now, I have to make a very intelligent decision It seems very hard for me May God bless me Really, I need your help and thank your kindness words again

To Mo妹妹y Jess:

谢谢妳的鼓励不管我做了什么决定,我都必须要像过了河的卒子,不能再后退了网路真奇妙,可以让一群素不相识的人交换心里的话

To all my friends:

我最新的行动是三月中再回台到台南面试对象是奇景光电据我所知,这是奇美集团的一份子,褔利待遇都不错值得一试有人知道这家公司的好坏吗?烦请告知谢谢

My honest assessment is as follows, which may not be what you'd like to hear

It’s naïve to think that age discrimination is not a problem in the US Legally, you will not be disqualified for a job on the basis of age, but what goes on the recruiter’s mind is entirely a different story There are tons of reasons that can justify the hiring decision As we approach late 30’s or early 40’s, it will become a lot more difficult to find a job anywhere, and being in the US won’t make it easier Many people in the US are forced to pursue other career options at mid-age

The longer you are out of a job, the more difficult it is to go back to your old profession If I were you, I’d be grateful that someone is still willing to give me a chance given that I have been out of work for more than two years Personally, I’d go with where the jobs are I’d much rather be in the mi弟弟le class than barely make ends meet If I can’t survive in the US on my own, am I really enjoying the life here?

As for the Social Security you were planning to rely upon after retirement, nobody knows what it will be like when our generation retires It is a pay-as-you-go system All the money we pay into the pool each year goes right out to pay current benefits and finance other Federal programs from national park, education, to the war in Iraq Currently it is a hot topic in Washington how to reform Social Security No matter how it is reformed, I think in the future, the benefits will be reduced, and taxes raised Most important of all, for our generation and for those who have above average earnings, the taxes we pay over the life of our career will be a lot more than the benefits we receive in retirement

I personally do not think Social Security should play an important role in your decision of whether to pursue careers in Taiwan

Wish you best of luck

版主爸爸你好！

虽然我不住美国（住欧），不过楼上妈妈有许多很宝贵的建议喔！

怎样的决定，强烈建议一定要全家人在一起，

一起吃苦一起成长一起分享，很多美好的记忆是一家人共同编织才拥有的。

祝福你们找到最好的决定！

(原作者于 2005-03-02 02:41:52 重新编辑过)

若是决定要留在美国，请你老婆要有心理準备，不要到时候因为这些原因导致夫妻失和，这样才是彼此最大的损失喔。

美国的贫富差距比台湾大，所以贫者只会越来越穷。

你想想儿子未来20年后是否要跟你走相同的路？

to Eric's Father : this is a point of view from my friend: 日期: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:17:53 -0800 (PST)

寄件者: "Gregory Barnes"

主题: Re:wot do u think

收件者: "h meilin"

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I AGREE WITH THE PERSON AT THE BOTTOM ALSO, I KNOW A

LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAD GOOD JOBS AND CAME TO THE US AND

ARE NOT DOING THE SAME KIND OF WORK MY FRIEND'S

MOTHER USED TO BE A DENTIST IN THE PHILIPPINES AND NOW

SHE IS A SECRETARY

IF HE HAS A GOOD JOB IN TAIWAN, HE SHOULD STAY

AMERICA IS NICE, BUT NOT EVERYONE WILL LIKE LIVING

HERE I LIKE LIVING HERE BECAUSE IT IS ALL I KNOW

I sympathize with your situation, I'm a father too The company I worked for shutdown back in 2001 That coupled with the fact my wife and I moved all contributed to my difficulty in finding a job quickly I have gone through some financial planning/insurance courses and got one license but it was not what I expected (long story, I was hoping to use my financial background to help people get better financial future but I wanted to charge hourly rate, rather than co妹妹ission based I wanted to go after serie 7 license since they're quite easy for me but my boss won't let me, etc)

I am now working again as a progra妹妹er, it's not easy to pick it up again, especially it's not something I specialized in (front end, php, etc) I was lucky in that I found a job that has flexible hours, I only meet with my boss once a week, taking care of our son during daytime while working night and weekends My wife also work two weekdays from home to help However, given I have background in both finance and computer, I see outsourcing is here to stay and argued with my wife to go back to Asia since jobs are moving there She refused because she does have a point, living environment might be better for our child in USA Although I have a job now, I have also applied to graduate schools as well If I can get into a good school, I will go back to school to learn new skills If I do not get into a good school, I will probably stay working at my job as it is healthcare informatics, an industry that is likely to offer employment in the future I also like to live here, because I came here as a child and I don't know that many people in Taiwan anymore I tried to live in Taiwan over ten years ago and it was tough, I discovered I was too Americanized and my urge to speak English was quite strong

One of my cousin in law was working for National Semiconductor in silicon valley, but is now a construction worker He had EE degree as well

USA does have age discrimination and being Asian, you'll suffer more than Caucasians It's a fact and you have to accept that, otherwise we won't hear Chinese PhD go open a restraunt, etc

As far as education cost, as long as the public school your child goes to is not terrible, offer an environment that nurtures learning, it's more important for your child to have a desire to learn Both my wife and I did not go through 明星小学 nor 明星中学 yet we turned out fine Your child's college education expense is a potential issue but it is only a potential I wrote a brief article on it and you're welcome to read it

Almost twenty years ago, I argued with my father as I was accepted into various UC and a private school that I wanted to go to My father thought private school would cost a fortune and we could not afford it I tried to show him he's wrong Luckily I prevailed because as I was going to be a sophomore in college, California government cut a lot of grant If I had gone to a UC's EE program as my father wished, I would've been in trouble Instead, my private college made up the shortfall by giving me more grant, enabled me to graduate in four years I cannot say the future will stay the same but it's likely your child's college education will be paid for somehow, you just need to be vigilant and start planning now

It's a difficult decision for you and your family to make Construction is very hot right now but if real estate turns south, you will face tough competition There is already competition from Mexicans but since the entire industry is booming, construction workers are still making a very good living, if they don't squander their money Your wife need to realize what choices you guys will be facing, possible reduced income in USA in the future or go back to Taiwan Your English will be valued in my opinion but I am really out of touch with Taiwan since I lived most of my life in USA, not Taiwan

If you stay here and have long term plan, perhaps you can consider child care industry along with your wife If you can child proof your home, both fo you are certified, you can make a living as a family daycare center, but don't expect to get rich Childcare, teacher, nurses are all expected to do well in the future, although each has its own little problems along the way (budget cut = job loss for teahers, hospitals shut down = loss of jobs for nurses, parents got laid off = losing child for childcare worker)

Other jobs you can consider are construction (hard to outsource), lawyer (harder to outsource but some jobs have outsourced), doctor (radiology is outsourced but most of the specialists cannot, especially surgery, not to mention med school application has been going down for the past few years), accountant (it's doing well now thanks to all those corporate scandal, it was bad for a while) Lawyer may not be an option for you since you said English is an issue for you but other jobs might ben an option for you

Good luck, my father had a high paying job back in Taiwan We lost our good life in Taiwan when we moved here but we're not unique Our family know two lawyers, graduated from NTU law, practiced in Taiwan, one even has his own law office, lost all when they came to USA One lawyer (NTU law) worked in local library, reshelve books Another lawyer went back to Taiwan after 5 years or so as he was unable to find a job in USA, given language issues But on the bright side, the lawyer that stayed saw his 3 children turned out extremenly well academically One son was a xxxxx scholar, guaranteed his tuition as he pursued his PhD in MIT He was my sophomore year's roo妹妹ate

I apologize if this is slightly incoherent but I need more sleep :)